tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post7899092966872833385..comments2024-03-24T08:18:33.058-04:00Comments on Conversations Over Chai: Paigham (1959)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-20912807960388385852012-04-25T03:58:31.074-04:002012-04-25T03:58:31.074-04:00No, you are not being argumentative at all. I read...No, you are not being argumentative at all. I read your comment and mine, and then realised *I* was getting our wires crossed. You are right - it wasn't <i>Kala Bazar<i>. By the time I got around to commenting, I was getting <i>Paigham</i> and <i>Insaniyat</i> mixed up. <i>Mea Culpa</i>. Sorry about that. I need to find that article again to see which film it actually was.</i></i>Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-55243518084203186692012-04-25T01:16:37.747-04:002012-04-25T01:16:37.747-04:00Yes, that makes sense. There were several releases...Yes, that makes sense. There were several releases of Dev in 1955, so he may have been busy with some other movie. <br /><br />My gut feeling is that he wasn't busy with Kala Bazaar since it released a good 5 years later. So he may have not been shooting for that movie. <br /><br />Do you get my point? I am sorry if I am sounding very "argumentative", but I guess I am not very good at putting my thoughts the first time round.Shashihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPSD5A3Xliknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-37868497543998575882012-04-23T13:07:43.364-04:002012-04-23T13:07:43.364-04:00Yes, it was Insaaniyat that I was referring to - i...Yes, it was <i>Insaaniyat</i> that I was referring to - if you read that sentence as "Dev Anand was shooting for <i>Kala Bazaar</i> and Dilip Kumar was grateful that Dev still made time for <i>Insaaniyat</i>", would that make better sense? :)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-7815059242618932792012-04-23T12:54:01.492-04:002012-04-23T12:54:01.492-04:00And Dilip Kumar is on record saying that Dev had b...<i>And Dilip Kumar is on record saying that Dev had been busy with shooting for one of his films (I think it was Kala Bazaar) and he was grateful that Dev still made time for this film. </i> I thought you were referring to "Insaaniyat" here. No?Shashihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPSD5A3Xliknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-39390162615834180902012-04-23T12:53:08.480-04:002012-04-23T12:53:08.480-04:00And Dilip Kumar is on record saying that Dev had b...<i>And Dilip Kumar is on record saying that Dev had been busy with shooting for one of his films (I think it was Kala Bazaar) and he was grateful that Dev still made time for this film. </i> I thought you were referring to "Insaaniyat" here. No?Shashihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPSD5A3Xliknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-37033928128561885492012-04-20T23:21:47.745-04:002012-04-20T23:21:47.745-04:00You're welcome, Sharmi. I'm glad you enjoy...You're welcome, Sharmi. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I found Ratanlal bearable simply because people who believe passionately in something are always vehement in their opinions. <br /><br />Poor Saroja Devi. :)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-61882766590940757042012-04-20T23:20:22.546-04:002012-04-20T23:20:22.546-04:00On Dev being busy, I guess it must have been some ...<i>On Dev being busy, I guess it must have been some other movie since Kala Bazaar released a good five years later in 1960.</i><br /><br />Shashi, <i>Paigham</i> was released in 1959, <i>Kala Bazaar</i> in 1960. :))Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-40118794568339815102012-04-19T05:42:25.707-04:002012-04-19T05:42:25.707-04:00 I saw it yesterday Anu and quite liked it. BUt wh... I saw it yesterday Anu and quite liked it. BUt while sometimes I found Dilip Kumar's Ratanlal resort to a bit of pontification, I loved Raj Kumar in it. Awesome he was. And Vyjayanthimala was so pretty. While she and B Saroja Devi look quite similar, the former has a very pleasant disposition, while the latter looks unpleasant. I do not like B Saroja Devi coz she looks angry all the time. BUt yes, a good film on the whole and well handled indeed. Thanks for the recommendation.Sharmi Adhikarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-29592568124598795392012-04-19T03:02:15.919-04:002012-04-19T03:02:15.919-04:00That's useful information for me, Anu, and tha...That's useful information for me, Anu, and thanks very much for that. I guess I should cross-verify "facts" by RJs going forwards.<br /><br />What you say is correct since its backed by truth. Dev did not act in 2-her projects later. I guess "Hum Dono"(1961) is the only film which may come under this category.<br /><br />On Dev being busy, I guess it must have been some other movie since Kala Bazaar released a good five years later in 1960.Shashihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPSD5A3Xliknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-48030124477120442352012-04-18T09:25:35.095-04:002012-04-18T09:25:35.095-04:00It was a good watch, Sharmi. I think you'll li...It was a good watch, Sharmi. I think you'll like it. Very quiet, very restrained, and very well-handled.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-75180330274024507472012-04-18T04:54:09.846-04:002012-04-18T04:54:09.846-04:00Wow, you've really made me want to watch this ...Wow, you've really made me want to watch this film fast!! Awesome it sounds Sharmi Adhikarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-85894431868646216862012-04-16T10:36:44.066-04:002012-04-16T10:36:44.066-04:00Shashi, I love how 'reasons' like these ge...Shashi, I love how 'reasons' like these get perpetuated to eternity. <i>Insaniyat</i> was the first film in which Dilip was working with SS Vasan - they weren't 'friends' by any means. Dev didn't act with Dilip after that because a) he *didn't* act in two-hero films and b)he *hated* the moustache / dhoti get-up and is on record (in his autobiography) as saying that he was very, very uncomfortable in the role. And Dilip Kumar is on record saying that Dev had been busy with shooting for one of his films (I think it was <i>Kala Bazaar</i>) and he was grateful that Dev still made time for this film. <br /><br />Remember, Dev was as popular, and as successful as Dilip at the time. Dev Anand and Dilip Kumar (and RK, until the Zeenat imbroglio) remained friends until Dev's death. I know it sounds so much better when there's a conspiracy theory, but... :) <br /><br />Raaj Kumar was much 'younger' in the film industry, and it certainly wasn't a parallel role; I don't think that anyone would have thought he would have as much screen time as Dilip, not if they read the script. Because the film is not about the two brothers and their clash, but a clash between an idealist and a capitalist.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-22791007033930558092012-04-16T05:35:25.846-04:002012-04-16T05:35:25.846-04:00In a radio program named "Picture Pandey"...In a radio program named "Picture Pandey", the anchor Anubhav Pandey says that Dev Anand and Dilip Kumar never worked together in another movie after "Insaaniyat" (1955) . Reason - Dev was given a raw due in that movie thanks to the director Vasan being a good friend of Dilip.<br /><br />I think I should applaud Raaj Kumar for working with the same duo though he may have an inkling of how his role may have shaped up.<br /><br />I remember this movie was publicised heavily during the release of "Saudagar" (1991) since the two stalwarts worked with each other only after 3 decades.Shashihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPSD5A3Xliknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-63714620606391378212012-04-13T15:10:45.795-04:002012-04-13T15:10:45.795-04:00And what I liked about the teasing is that it is n...And what I liked about the teasing is that it is not stalkerish. It is a very affectionate, very loving interaction. They looked so right for each other - the comfort level was unmistakeable. <br /><br />ps: About Rajkumar - I don't hate him. :) In fact, I'd much rather see him than a few others I could name. It's just that sometimes, his mannerisms became unbearable. Reined in, he's a fine actor, and has a wonderful voice.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-35758538550928166912012-04-13T15:07:46.162-04:002012-04-13T15:07:46.162-04:00I don't like Raj Kumar either
I'm not sur...<i>I don't like Raj Kumar either</i><br /><br />I'm not surprised. :) <br /><br />Truly, what I really liked about the movie was the fact that while Ratan is campaigning for the workers' rights, he is NOT saying that 'capitalism' is *bad*. There is no 'workers=good, <i>maalik</i>=bad' trope here; in fact, there is even the scene where the worker tries to abuse the system; so, it's more a case-by-case scenario. People *do* bad things; they are not inherently bad (or) good. <br /><br />And the acting was remarkably restrained - even the scenes which could have descended into pathos (like the niece's engagement being broken) were reined in - I don't think any of the women spend their time weeping.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-58675973951965264952012-04-13T09:53:37.341-04:002012-04-13T09:53:37.341-04:00Nice filmn. I saw it a couple of years ago, and wa...Nice filmn. I saw it a couple of years ago, and was satisfied.<br />I've always found Dilip Kumar very romantic. The intensity he lends to it makes it very interesting. His teasing of the heroine is in a class of its own.<br /><br />Agree about the music.<br />I like Raj Kumar inspite of his theatricals :-D<br />That's an interesting bit about Vyjayanthimala's mother. Have to take out the DVD and watch her.pacifistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-89101254923154918662012-04-13T00:25:01.530-04:002012-04-13T00:25:01.530-04:00I don't like Raj Kumar either, so a film that ...I don't like Raj Kumar either, so a film that has Raj Kumar as one of the reasons to see it (besides Dilip Kumar in romantic mode - I think he's awesome when he's being teasing and light-hearted) is a must watch... when I get the time. And I do like Vyjyanthimala. Especially when she gets to act a bit - I loved her in <i>Sadhna</i>, for example. dustedoffhttp://dustedoff.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-41643521005438069492012-04-12T20:28:11.095-04:002012-04-12T20:28:11.095-04:00Nyeh, brush, brush brush my teeth, tum-ti-tum-ti-t...Nyeh, brush, brush brush my teeth, tum-ti-tum-ti-tum... Okay, song 1.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-62386732081938121682012-04-12T20:24:30.717-04:002012-04-12T20:24:30.717-04:00Harvey, I was pleasantly surprised with this film;...Harvey, I was pleasantly surprised with this film; no melodrama, no hitting us over the head with the message with all the subtlety a sledgehammer, no all-evil villain with no mitigating goodness, a fairly mature romance, with no scope for misunderstanding...Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-71004943225275385922012-04-12T13:10:15.907-04:002012-04-12T13:10:15.907-04:00I looked up the songs on you tube. The Vyju number...I looked up the songs on you tube. The Vyju number main kyun na nachhu is good but the other songs are just about okay.<br />It seems to be the time, when C Ramchandra had quarelled with his long-time muse, Lata. It seems that she didn't have any song to sing in this filmharveyhttp://harveypam.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-1611524764434617422012-04-12T13:03:04.463-04:002012-04-12T13:03:04.463-04:00Paigham! I knew it till now as the only film with ...Paigham! I knew it till now as the only film with Raj Kumar and Dilip Kumar together (before Saudagar). I have been meaning to watch this film for a long time. But I still haven't been able to see Deewar, so when will I find time for this. It sounds good enough.<br />BTW I always found Dilip Kumar to be ver yromantic. I find him to be more romantic than say Raj Kapoor. <br />The message sounds good, maybe we need more such films, what with neo-capitalism at large. <br />Pandhari Bai plays Raaj Kumar's wife?harveyhttp://harveypam.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com