tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post2564777187160778791..comments2024-03-24T08:18:33.058-04:00Comments on Conversations Over Chai: My Favourites: Songs of CynicismUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-73796473179084256322013-08-28T09:23:47.105-04:002013-08-28T09:23:47.105-04:00Cynicism is born out of disillusionment, yes, but ...Cynicism is born out of disillusionment, yes, but I disagree that <i>Tera mera pyar amar</i> is cynical. It is fearful, yes, but there is the strong belief (borne out by the rest of the story track) that their love is real. <br /><br />Would you say that <i> Hum the jinke sahare</i> is cynical? I'm not so sure.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-30801109430885516772013-08-11T15:53:16.077-04:002013-08-11T15:53:16.077-04:00Cynicism is borne out of illusionary dreams and un...Cynicism is borne out of illusionary dreams and unfulfilled expectations. There is always a besotted desire to achieve something but is also hamstrung with fear of failure due to reasons which could be unforeseen or beyond one’s control. With this line of thought, two of Lata Mangeshkar’s songs really stand out in the steak of songs on cynicism. Tera Mera Pyar Amar Phie Kyon Mujhko Lagta Dar from Asli Naqli.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c2pg7lyXSA<br /><br />Second song is from Safar- Ham The Jinke Sahare Woh Huye Na Hamare. How close the female protagonist was to achieve what she desired yet how far it proved to be just as the male protagonist was detected with cancer and he refused to marry her as he did not want her to live a lonely life after he had passed away.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T6BflXhcvMShekharnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-35384715654834138322013-05-06T13:41:25.193-04:002013-05-06T13:41:25.193-04:00Thank you, Ashraf! I like Ghalib, so I'm glad ...Thank you, Ashraf! I like Ghalib, so I'm glad you posted one of his ghazals. I don't know if Ghalib was the pioneer of cynicism in ghazals, but his ghazals are beautiful! You brought back memories of watching <i>Mirza Ghalib</i> on DD when I was a kid. :) Thank you.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-82170378636289705822013-05-05T08:10:18.147-04:002013-05-05T08:10:18.147-04:00Anu,
I like most of you posts
I has to comment...Anu, <br /><br />I like most of you posts <br /><br />I has to comment on this one, because? its on cynicism I enjoy this subject and Sahir, too, for his cynicism and romanticism, All songs and comments are interesting<br /><br />On the subject of cynicism you cannot ignore Ghalib, he was the pioneer of cynicism (i may be wrong but with my very little knowledge of Urdu poetry that's my assumption)<br /><br />I would like to add one ghazal and one couplet of this pioneer,<br /><br /> The couplet<br />na tha kuchch to KHuda tha, kuchch na hota to KHuda hota<br />duboya mujhko hone ne, na hota maiN to kya hota ?<br /><br />Tha ghazal <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lccSFr2-ZYYAshraf Lakhanihttp://twitter.com/mumbaikar8noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-63116647573791193302013-05-02T20:52:04.277-04:002013-05-02T20:52:04.277-04:00I hated this song, and I hated Dharmendra in this ...I hated this song, and I hated Dharmendra in this song! It is so dashed self-righteous that if I were Asha Parekh, I think I would have kicked Dharmendra to the curb for humiliating me like this. <br /><br />You are right! I wonder how anyone can summon up the chutzpah to sing such a song in public. There are other instances too - of the chap singing bitterly (or heart-brokenly) at the girl's engagement. My father used to say that if it were in real life, some male from the girl's side - father, uncles, brothers, cousins - would ensure the chap never sang again.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-78551356144454918852013-05-02T20:48:25.332-04:002013-05-02T20:48:25.332-04:00Good choice, Ashokji. :) Naya Zamana had some nice...Good choice, Ashokji. :) <i>Naya Zamana</i> had some nice songs.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-48898386241692161422013-05-02T09:06:52.032-04:002013-05-02T09:06:52.032-04:00And yet one more
Mere Dushman Tu Meri Dosti Ko T...And yet one more <br /><br />Mere Dushman Tu Meri Dosti Ko Tarse - Aaye Din Bahar Ke - http://youtu.be/toLWzQmXwFg<br /><br />The song is so much full of the negative feelings and strong words, that one wonders how can someone even of singing such a song in a party! And the those attending the party are shameless enough to be a party to so much strong emotions between two persons, even if inadvertently trapped in such a situation.Ashok M Vaishnavhttp://amvaishnav.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-60862916202780629182013-05-02T09:00:31.905-04:002013-05-02T09:00:31.905-04:00I recollect Duniya O Duniya, Tera Jawab Nahin - Na...I recollect Duniya O Duniya, Tera Jawab Nahin - Naya Zamana - S D Burman - http://youtu.be/BAZBdQsUJo8Ashok M Vaishnavhttp://amvaishnav.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-9029669461263744422013-05-01T22:52:51.079-04:002013-05-01T22:52:51.079-04:00I'm sorry. Disqus is in the process of 'im...I'm sorry. Disqus is in the process of 'improving' things which basically means they are trying to fix something that isn't broken - and we all know how that works. <br /><br />Yes, the song you listed <i>is</i> satirical, but I honestly think that most satire is born out of cynicism, so I welcome this link! :) I really did like <i>Welcome to Sajjanpur</i>.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-3873525357417421842013-05-01T11:36:11.934-04:002013-05-01T11:36:11.934-04:00I've now written the comment four times :-( an...I've now written the comment four times :-( and know the words by heart :-)<br />It's a song from Welcome to Sajjanpur 'aadmi azaad hai'.<br /><br />The lyric writer writes glowing lyrics about aazaadi, but the opposite is playing on the screen. I thought it is cynical not satitical. Though satiricism is the result of cynicism, I think. OK<br /> at the end of the song the unexpected winner does go to show that <br />azaadi is really there to choose who you want. But there are other <br />things relating to the cynicism in the song - regarding violence etc.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoqT-mMvp0cpacifistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-18504125816148823802013-05-01T11:30:47.790-04:002013-05-01T11:30:47.790-04:00Raj Kapoor is too much of a romantic - his so-call...<i>Raj Kapoor is too much of a romantic - his so-called social films also are essentially musical romances.</i><br /><br /><br />'So- called?' *Eyebrows receding into hairline* - RK's earlier films, with the exception of <i>Barsaat</i> were <i>never</i> romances. The relationship between the hero and the heroine is never front and centre in his films, and is always incidental to the plot. There is as much attention paid to the protagonist's relationships with others around him as there is to the romance. <i>Awara</i> was not about the relationship between Raj and Rita; it was about Raj and his relationship with his absent father, and his 'foster' father, and it made a strong case for nurture over nature. <i>Shree 420</i> was not about Raj and Vidya - it was about Raj finding his way through the maze of life. <i>Jis Desh Mein Ganga Behti Hain</i> was not about Raju and Kammo - it was about the reahbilitation of dacoits. (Raj and Kammo do not even have a romantic duet picturised on them.) <i>Aag</i> was about a man's love for the arts and the quest for his childhood love. Not romantic, but idealistic.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-24030445889582122902013-05-01T09:32:44.098-04:002013-05-01T09:32:44.098-04:00Anu,
An interesting theme. Sahir's songs you ...Anu,<br />An interesting theme. Sahir's songs you have selected represent the genre. When I read Subodh's comments I wondered how could he read my mind. I have also struggled posting comments on your blog, which I have mentioned earlier. I juggle between browsers, laptops to get it right. Then <i>Shree 420</i> song - I had exactly the same view. Raj Kapoor is too much of a romantic - his so-called social films also are essentially musical romances. In any case he is not remembered by <i>Jagte Raho</i> and <i>Boot Polish</i>.Songs Of Yorehttp://twitter.com/SongsOfYorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-26107816782592138582013-04-29T10:31:34.658-04:002013-04-29T10:31:34.658-04:00Oh, I'm sure it was nationalism at the bottom ...Oh, I'm sure it was nationalism at the bottom of those pop-patriotic films that caused this, but oh, once you got hit on the head a thousand times in the same film with that message, you began to develop a headache. I hate it when they paint something with such broad brush strokes. Like a 'westernised' heroine (read educated/city-bred) who becomes 'Bharatiya nari' when she accepts the village hero's dictates on what a good woman should be like (or even Madhubala's character in <i>Mr and Mrs 55</i> who sees the light when the village <i>bhabhi</i> shows her the qualities of a good woman - urk!) - perhaps because <i>I</i> was city-bred and educated, and was considered westernised because I spoke fluent English? So much so that when I went to Kerala, I was ragged in college because they assumed I didn't know Malayalam? [grin] My dirty lens here. Moreover, his films were so regressive where women were concerned. I don't like the ubiquitous blondes in ads/songs either. I hate whenAnu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-87135118335616037442013-04-29T10:23:47.207-04:002013-04-29T10:23:47.207-04:00Ha! Come to my arms! I have a .docx file named ...Ha! Come to <i>my</i> arms! I have a .docx file named 'Notes for Blog' where I have the same thing! :) (Psst, I wonder if pacifist will take me up on my offer!)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-83045748378333471962013-04-29T03:32:30.704-04:002013-04-29T03:32:30.704-04:00I tried posting my other half of the comment yeste...I tried posting my other half of the comment yesterday with a song, but it wouldn't upload (?)<br /><br />>Indian=good, Western=bad trope<br />I saw this as a reaction to what Indians were portrayed as once, and also a resistence to the move towards - 'West is best'. <br /><br />Today the films/media/ads have diametrically moved towards this end.<br />There are blondes all over the place in the background of songs, among many other things, which is (for me) much more annoying.<br /><br />Fashion magazines/online magazines or sites tell you how to dress up, and what hair style to make, which is perfectly alright in itself - *but* the pictures are of blondes/lighter hair women.<br /><br /><br /><br />Extremes are always bad. If I dislike the other, I'm more critical of the latter.<br />The good old middle path seems to have been forgotten.<br /><br /><br />I'll try again to post the song.pacifistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-7549363354725414162013-04-29T00:49:42.507-04:002013-04-29T00:49:42.507-04:00Absolutely. I have a .docx file named lists. Right...Absolutely. I have a .docx file named lists. Right now, it has about ten different lists, just the theme and some suggested songs written up under each. :-)dustedoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-35267299322254203092013-04-28T16:48:18.970-04:002013-04-28T16:48:18.970-04:00A good idea for a post! I would never have thought...A good idea for a post! I would never have thought of it!<br />As you have said, given such a topic, one could fill a post with Sahir songs!<br />I always thought I knew many but I can't think of any right now, which ahve not already been pointed out by other readers.<br />The songs are all good!<br />Thanks for the intersting post, dear Anu!harveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-68589577837836963192013-04-28T14:06:06.293-04:002013-04-28T14:06:06.293-04:00This is a theme after my heart. Some of these song...This is a theme after my heart. Some of these songs often strike an answering chord in the listener's hearts, after all don't we all get cynical at some time or the other.<br /><br />I have 3 songs to contribute. The first one is from Mamta, "<i>"rehte the kabhi jinke dil mein"</i>" there is this line from this song"<i>"dawa tha jise humdardika khud aake na poocha haal kabhi"</i>"<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMiLndLz9hY<br /><br />The second one is from Anupama. It is "<i>"ya dil ki suno"</i>". I do not know whether it counts as cynical but if you listen to Azmi's lyrics I think it does.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poXBa76JNKk<br /><br />Finally there is Sahir's "<i>"jaane woh kaise log the"</i>"<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmWZHQAKMEk<br /><br />Finally there is Sahir's "<i>" jaane woh kaise log the"</i>"Shilpi Bosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-83893222603163319972013-04-28T13:16:22.525-04:002013-04-28T13:16:22.525-04:00:):)coolonehttp://coolone160.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-92230036530272847412013-04-28T13:12:12.027-04:002013-04-28T13:12:12.027-04:00Yes, Dharampaaji was good at the cynicism, wasn...Yes, Dharam<i>paaji</i> was good at the cynicism, wasn't he? I remember him gritting his teeth and looking morosely at various people in quite a few films. [grin] Thanks for adding to the list.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-23493449620605662492013-04-28T13:09:51.886-04:002013-04-28T13:09:51.886-04:00Thank you, pacifist. I'm glad you enjoyed it. ...Thank you, pacifist. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yes, RK, for all his optimistic lookout, had a deeply held cynical view which always showed up in all his films. Manoj Kumar, meh. His cynicism was usually pegged on the Indian=good, Western=bad trope which made me want to go off and kill myself. :(Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-3490499288220590372013-04-28T13:07:12.574-04:002013-04-28T13:07:12.574-04:00Wouldn't put the Begaana song as cynical - he ...Wouldn't put the <i>Begaana</i> song as cynical - he seemed to be whining about being ditched. [grin] Or the <i>Najaayaz</i> one either. But the rest are fine - different forms of cynicism, but cynical nevertheless. AB had a lot of those, didn't he?<br /><br /><br />Loved both the title song of <i>Amanush</i> and the <i>ghazal</i>.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-71956158880111160272013-04-28T12:46:13.962-04:002013-04-28T12:46:13.962-04:00Chris, Upkar was rather decent as films go; Mr Bha...Chris, <i>Upkar</i> was rather decent as films go; Mr Bharat hadn't reached the stage of being a pompous old ass. And Pran was awesome. It's worth a watch, in my opinion, though I'm not too sure I would be able to watch it again.<br /><br /><i>Sajanva bairee ho gayi hamar</i> is not cynical, is it? It is heartbreaking, actually. But what a lovely song!<br /><br />I liked both <i>Chal akela</i> and <i>Maine pee sharab</i>. Thanks for posting.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-70208550200596567992013-04-28T12:19:05.952-04:002013-04-28T12:19:05.952-04:00Thank you, AvG. Yes, I didn't want two songs f...Thank you, AvG. Yes, I didn't want two songs from the same film, otherwise I would have used <i>Aasman pe hai khuda</i> from <i>Phir Subah Hogi</i> too.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-38088834042142323332013-04-28T12:17:27.428-04:002013-04-28T12:17:27.428-04:00Well, two solutions for that, pacifist. a) Start y...Well, two solutions for that, pacifist. a) Start your own blog. <br />b) <i>Mi blog es su blog</i> as the Spanish would say! [grin]Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com