tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post2657238935656682780..comments2024-03-24T08:18:33.058-04:00Comments on Conversations Over Chai: It's The First Anniversary Of My BlogUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-92101648174855085832013-05-26T10:53:55.207-04:002013-05-26T10:53:55.207-04:00Thank you, Neeraj. Of course there are many more s...Thank you, Neeraj. Of course there are many more songs. :) Can't list them all here. Which is what the comments' section is for, so my readers can post their selections. In both the songs you listed, I'm at a loss to decide which version I prefer - perhaps both, at different times, depending on my mood. They are both lovely, lovely songs.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-9099785581451908422013-05-26T10:49:00.523-04:002013-05-26T10:49:00.523-04:00And how in heavens' name did I make that mista...And how in heavens' name did I make that mistake? *Going off to rectify it* Thanks for the correction.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-61467287964324074452013-05-26T00:24:44.986-04:002013-05-26T00:24:44.986-04:00Excellent post and great follow up discussion. The...Excellent post and great follow up discussion. There are many more such songs. One really beautiful song sung by Lata Mangeshkar and Talat Mahmood is Tum to Dil ke tar chhed kar from Roop Ki Rani Choron ka Raja (1961). This is one of those rare songs where you find it difficult to decide which version sounds better. If we go a little backward in time, there is Rahi Matwale from Waris. One version is sung by Talat Mahmood and Suraiya and another is Suraiya solo.Neerajmitalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-60446386010984052942013-05-26T00:16:26.476-04:002013-05-26T00:16:26.476-04:00That is because the song is from Maya (1961)That is because the song is from Maya (1961)Neerajmitalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-5388669199213405742012-11-12T08:13:39.080-05:002012-11-12T08:13:39.080-05:00 I don't know that the music directors compose... I don't know that the music directors composed them keeping in mind the male singers; mostly, they have been the requirements of the director/script - at least in those days. In any case, this is a very personal preference, and I'm sure someone who likes the female versions of songs better will use my argument against me. :)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-33353862116418205692012-11-12T08:12:11.625-05:002012-11-12T08:12:11.625-05:00 That is an interesting observation, Nalini. Now I... That is an interesting observation, Nalini. Now I need to sit back and think whether I like a particular song not because of the male or female version but the underlying emotions. I know I don't go in determined to like the song because of who is singing, and mostly, I <i>have</i> preferred the male versions, but now you have made me pause.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-14099942166261366332012-11-12T03:42:19.779-05:002012-11-12T03:42:19.779-05:00I tend to lean towards the male version of most su...I tend to lean towards the male version of most such songs, haven't figured out why yet. Is it so because most music directors composed these melodies with the male singer in mind and then extended it to the female voice too? One will never know. I see that most of your conclusions are in favor of the male singer and that is a truth, unfair maybe yes. But truth, yes. Boby Mohannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-23482454261319730552012-11-08T18:13:52.914-05:002012-11-08T18:13:52.914-05:00This is an interesting topic for discussion. Gener...This is an interesting topic for discussion. Generally I find that I prefer the happier version (generally like happier version of everything, I am not much of a tragedy person), but in the case of "ehsaan tera hoga mujhpar..", I do prefer the male version which is a little sadder. Nalini Inoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-92095003809584991632012-09-02T20:16:49.385-04:002012-09-02T20:16:49.385-04:00 And for some reason, this comment didn't show... And for some reason, this comment didn't show up on the sidebar (or I overlooked it!) - thank you so much for the compliment, pacifist. Need I say it is readers like you that make the effort worthwhile? <br /><br />LOL at your being so shocked at overlooking the post, that you overlooked the post! :))Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-44584030210378541832012-08-17T08:21:22.645-04:002012-08-17T08:21:22.645-04:00Oh no!! I seem to have overlooked this post. Was a...Oh no!! I seem to have overlooked this post. Was away around that time (summer holidays and all that), and came back to read your Kishore Kumar post.<br /><br />Anyway, congratulations Anu.<br />Love your blog and what you offer here. Intelligent, and well written posts. May you see many anniversaries. :-) <br /><br />Actually I haven't even read the post yet. Was so shocked at having missed the opportunity of congratulating you that I came here straight away.<br />Will go now and read it.pacifistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-65020257900333469512012-08-13T23:19:26.151-04:002012-08-13T23:19:26.151-04:00Ae angane onnum illa...Veruthe thoniyathaa...Namma...Ae angane onnum illa...Veruthe thoniyathaa...Nammalokke kochu aaradhakkammaralle...Please continue writing in your own friendly style...E Pradeephttp://epradeep98.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-45850143222312068852012-08-12T16:47:45.442-04:002012-08-12T16:47:45.442-04:00Thanks, Pradeep. By the way, is that a hint to sto...Thanks, Pradeep. By the way, is that a hint to stop being so longwinded? :)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-31056981439056611472012-08-12T16:20:51.638-04:002012-08-12T16:20:51.638-04:00You have had six months to mourn everything you wa...You have had six months to mourn everything you want to - so no sympathy for you at all! Besides, I have been suffering from withdrawal symptoms. I need my fix. Good to know you have posted at long last. Going off to read it.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-36146108022468381082012-08-12T13:52:44.931-04:002012-08-12T13:52:44.931-04:00Geez, talk about pressure! Can't I even spend ...Geez, talk about pressure! Can't I even spend time mourning the end of my vacation before getting back into work? O well, now that I <i>have</i> posted something, I know the pressure will ease off for a bit! ;-) <br /><br />PS: Suraiya is the seminal Ghalib singer for me, too. Childhood conditioning by DD, you think?Bollyviewernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-70168052521063198112012-08-12T03:46:14.626-04:002012-08-12T03:46:14.626-04:00Happy anniversary, Anu! Do keep the contributions ...Happy anniversary, Anu! Do keep the contributions pouring in regularly - you have enough readers to gorge through all the prose as and when it comes. Found a friend here and am sure a few others have also discovered pals out here. With the kid around now, you will see me only intermittently but an occasional read will go on. E Pradeephttp://epradeep98.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-18075915542314442922012-08-06T13:15:19.418-04:002012-08-06T13:15:19.418-04:00 I am glad! Especially because all three are songs... I am glad! Especially because all three are songs that are new to me!! I listened to all the versions, and while there is a kneejerk reaction to preferring one over the other, I want to listen some more and ruminate over which one I truly prefer. :) <br /><br />Thanks once again!Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-87241373893976989862012-08-06T12:03:36.101-04:002012-08-06T12:03:36.101-04:00Okay, a couple more (told you I could discuss this...Okay, a couple more (told you I could discuss this topic endlessly :-) tandem songs. <br /><br />*Jab se hum tum baharon mein (a tandem duet!)<br />Version 1 Suman & Rafi : www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwXibEo2EXU<br />Version 2: Mukesh & Kamal Barot: www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEOpUkcpn-U<br />I like the Mukesh/Kamal Barot version better – they sound adorable together.<br /><br />*Chand Apna Safar khatam karta raha by Usha & Lata Mangeshkar<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAFynP4SNmU<br />I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I like Usha’s better! <br /><br />*Kabhi Kissiko ko Mukamal jahan <br />Asha version<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc30N-_rUoA&feature=related<br />Bhupendra version<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOmlXlXWIOc&feature=related<br />Both are wonderful, but I prefer Asha’s – probably because I heard it first.Shalininoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-10935705192291341352012-08-06T10:26:43.476-04:002012-08-06T10:26:43.476-04:00 Thank you, AK. I do not know if Lata came out sec... Thank you, AK. I do not know if Lata came out second, much less a poor second, in her twin songs; I know I prefer the male version most times, but I will not agree that she was inferior. Let me take a look at your post - we may have to politely agree to disagree. :)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-9321636746577886572012-08-06T09:56:16.347-04:002012-08-06T09:56:16.347-04:00Congratulations on your first/fourth anniversary. ...Congratulations on your first/fourth anniversary. Yours is one of the <br />blogs I am greatly fond of for your elegant writing and selection of <br />songs.<br /><br />The subject of twin songs has long intrigued me. Especially why the <br />most complete singer Lata Mangeshkar came out a poor second in most of <br />the twin songs against almost all male singers including Mukesh and <br />Talat Mahmood, who were known for their limited range compared to her. <br /> So much so that she was scared at the prospect of singing a twin song <br />against Talat. About two years back I did a comprehensive post on this <br />theme Twin songs, which you may find interesting.AKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-59937547694942701262012-08-06T09:20:47.507-04:002012-08-06T09:20:47.507-04:00 Bollyviewer! You are back! So nice to hear from y... Bollyviewer! You are back! So nice to hear from you. (Vacation is over now, woman, now get back to blogging!) So, while I did thank you on the post (or blamed you, depending on what my readers think :)) here's my heartfelt thank you to you personally for encouraging me to blog, <i>and</i> for the compliment. <br /><br />Coming to your choices: <br />Kabhi kabhi mere dil mein - I prefer Mukesh's version, perhaps because Amitabh looked so delicious on screen. :) <br /><br />Mai ri main ka se kahoon peer - Definitely Lata's version; with all due respect, Madan Mohan was no singer. <br /><br />Unhe kissa-e-gham jo likhne baithe - Rafi over Asha any day!<br /><br />Pyaas kuch aur bhi bhadka di - I prefer the happy version to the sad one, though I think I would have felt the same even if the sad version was male. :) <br /><br />Nukta cheen hain gham-e-dil - I agree with you; Suraiya's version is the seminal version (for me!).Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-48689732504794004452012-08-06T04:41:40.286-04:002012-08-06T04:41:40.286-04:00Happy blogiversary Anu! Here's toasting a year...Happy blogiversary Anu! Here's toasting a year of wonderfully filmi posts and <i>more</i> to come!!! I am so glad I could convince you to blog more about films - its given me hours of entertainment, and introduced me to so many "new" oldies. <br /><br />Love the theme of your post and the songs you've included. As a kid I was often confused by the same song sung by different singers - just when I decided that it was sung by Lata, I'd hear a Rafi version and decide that I must've remembered it wrong! Took me a while to figure out that the same song <i>could</i> be sung by several singers. Then, I would always like the version sung by my favorite singer, so it was always Rafi-better-than-Lata (or anybody else), Talat/Hemant-better-than-Lata, Lata-better-than-Mukesh, and so on... And then I heard <i>Tum bin jaaon kahan</i> and realised that I don't always prefer my favorites over others - I actually liked the Kishore version way better than the Rafi one. And now, like everybody else, I must admit that I cannot always be sure which one I'd prefer based on how much I like a singer. So here are some of my favorites:<br /><br /><i>Kabhi kabhi mere dil mein</i> - I much prefer the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKMPf737pp0" rel="nofollow">Lata version</a> over the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te1BsSrLR5A" rel="nofollow">Mukesh one</a>.<br /><br /><i>Mai ri main ka se kahoon peer</i> - the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBTFFR9sNck" rel="nofollow">Madan Mohan version</a> has more raw emotion, but I prefer the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw3hmdC1HNg" rel="nofollow">Lata version</a> for it's sweetness and how smooth her voice sounds after Madan Mohan's.<br /><br /><i><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEs7Sgu0X_M" rel="nofollow">Unhen kissa-e-gham jo likhne ko baithe</a></i> - Asha does a great job with the song, but I like Rafi's recitation way better.<br /><br /><i>Pyaas kuch aur bhi bhadka di</i> - I love both, the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP2hllmxMY0" rel="nofollow">happy romantic duet</a> sung by Talat-Asha and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqz83Y4pMDE" rel="nofollow">the sad version</a> sung mostly by Asha.<br /><br /><i>Nukta cheen hain gham-e-dil</i> - so many singers have sung this Ghalib ghazal, but nobody, in my opinion, with the sweetness that <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRtiZTTIyio" rel="nofollow">Suraiya brings to it</a>. Here's a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS4JVe0d79o" rel="nofollow">Saigal version</a>, just for comparison.Bollyviewernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-1615022784339633362012-08-06T03:45:14.547-04:002012-08-06T03:45:14.547-04:00 Thanks, Arjun. I love both renditions of Abhi na ... Thanks, Arjun. I love both renditions of <i>Abhi na jao chhodkar</i> - for different reasons.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-44535798249971663052012-08-06T03:12:39.679-04:002012-08-06T03:12:39.679-04:00Congrats to you and you have made quite a wonderfu...Congrats to you and you have made quite a wonderful list here. I would like to add Jab Pyar kisi se hota hai (from Pyar kisi se hota hai) sung by Lata and Rafi. Both are amazing... similarly, there is an Asha Bhonsle solo version of Abhi na jao chod kar as well.. which is not available on audio easily. You can catch the song only in the movie Hum Dono. I loved both Rafi and Asha's renditions.Arjun Narayanannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-40761896576853043892012-08-05T08:09:41.046-04:002012-08-05T08:09:41.046-04:00Congratulations on your first/fourth anniversary. ...Congratulations on your first/fourth anniversary. Yours is one of the blogs I am greatly fond of for your elegant writing and selection of songs.<br /><br />The subject of twin songs has long intrigued me. Especially why the most complete singer Lata Mangeshkar came out a poor second in most of the twin songs against almost all male singers including Mukesh and Talat Mahmood, who were known for their limited range compared to her. So much so that she was scared at the prospect of singing a twin song against Talat. About two years back I did a comprehensive post on this theme <a href="http://www.songsofyore.com/twin-songs/" rel="nofollow">Twin songs</a>, which you may find interesting.<br /><br /><b>AK</b>AKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-46794594037771863452012-08-04T23:50:54.487-04:002012-08-04T23:50:54.487-04:00 Because half the movies on YouTube are cut somewh... Because half the movies on YouTube are cut somewhere or the other. :(Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com