tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post7253453277413835832..comments2024-03-19T01:01:34.335-04:00Comments on Conversations Over Chai: Ijaazat (1987)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-86969514197292749282015-07-05T10:57:42.163-04:002015-07-05T10:57:42.163-04:00Thank you for the kind words, Mr Sharma. As for th...Thank you for the kind words, Mr Sharma. As for the N Dutta composition, we are spoilt for choice; I picked one, you posted another. And since they are good songs, let's enjoy both. :)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-28574485097981760912015-07-04T10:01:01.060-04:002015-07-04T10:01:01.060-04:00Anu Warrier,
Interesting write-up on Talat. Howeve...Anu Warrier,<br />Interesting write-up on Talat. However, among N Dutta's compositions I'd rather pick Talat's 'Ashkon Ne Jo Paya Hai Woh Geeton Mein Diya Hai" from Chandi Ki Deewar (1964 movie).Ravindra Sharmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-26132511958116090022015-05-21T23:30:21.684-04:002015-05-21T23:30:21.684-04:00Yes, Gulzar mentioned how his telling of the story...Yes, Gulzar mentioned how his telling of the story veered from the original. In that interview I linked to, the original author had taken a look at Gulzar's script and said 'It is very good, but this is not my story.'<br /><br />The similarities and differences between the two films was very interesting to read. Thank you for taking the time to come back and write it down.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-16479563463083916292015-05-21T23:28:49.321-04:002015-05-21T23:28:49.321-04:00True, so true. About BB, I mean. He was such a ron...True, so true. About BB, I mean. He was such a rona-dhona creature!Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-30772741730743406052015-05-21T14:54:13.705-04:002015-05-21T14:54:13.705-04:00I finally got the time to actually read the origin...I finally got the time to actually read the original story and watch Ijaazat and Jatugriha. Both films have kept the kernel of the story and have embellished the points which were unstated or understated in the book.<br />First, the similarities. Both films deal with the brief meeting in a station waiting room of an estranged couple. They share some bittersweet moments from the past and then move on to their destinations.<br />Now the differences. Ijaazat flits between the present and flashbacks as does the original story. Jatugriha has a more linear structure. It depicts the already discordant life of Satadal (Uttam Kumar) and Madhuri (Arundhati Devi) and culminates with the waiting room scene. The reason for estrangement is also different in the movies. The original story does not really spell out the reason, just briefly mentioning that the marriage turned sour.It does mention that Madhuri could not bear any children. Jatugriha makes this the main reason for the estrangement. Ijaazat takes the jealousy route. Although Sudha is all noble about it it's plain she is jealous. Maya is an irritating character. I feel Gulzar chose her because he could then write lovely poetic dialogs for her.<br />In the original story both Satadal and Madhuri get remarried. In Ijaazat only Sudha does. In Jatugriha Madhuri remarries but Satadal's marital status is not mentioned. <br />There is a scene towards the end of the original story when Satadal, in a moment of weakness, holds Madhuri's hands and implores her to answer whether she still has fond memories of him. I cringed when I read this part. I'm glad both directors had the good sense to not include it in their films. In Jatugriha, after both Satadal and Madhuri have taken their seats in their respective trains (which are coincidentally right opposite each other) Madhuri, who is traveling alone, blurts out - Can't we get back together? It is apparent that she says this knowing fully well that they cannot.<br />The last scene in Jatugriha is very well done although it is taken from the story. Satadal and Madhuri have been drinking tea in the waiting room. A long shot shows the two trains starting to move in opposite directions. Meanwhile the service attendant in the waiting room picks up their cups, washes them and hangs them separately on a rack.Soumyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-948785820673703612015-05-21T03:12:01.786-04:002015-05-21T03:12:01.786-04:00LOL, love your comment on why Lata's rendition...LOL, love your comment on why Lata's rendition of the song lacked any feeling. I wonder why BB had a penchant for playing all sad and whiny characters. It was a given thing that something horrible would happen to a character if BB was playing it :))Cknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-77624348324476818972015-05-20T23:28:59.964-04:002015-05-20T23:28:59.964-04:00I must say that your comment made not just my day ...I must say that your comment made not just my day but probably my entire week and month. I'm both flattered and humbled.<br /><br />Thank <i>you</i>! I'm so glad you enjoy my writing.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-23327654676039677362015-05-20T12:56:37.560-04:002015-05-20T12:56:37.560-04:00I'm still at it. And have recommended your bl...I'm still at it. And have recommended your blog my to my sis and BIL as something that has to be read :)<br />In fact it's been a long time that I have read anything as written which manages to be witty, entertaining and thought provoking all at the same time. Thanks for writing so well Anu, if your blog were a book I'd say it was UNPUTDOWNABLE ;)Cknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-35995388249079758082015-05-20T08:58:55.468-04:002015-05-20T08:58:55.468-04:00Ck, welcome to my blog. Your first comment made me...Ck, welcome to my blog. Your first comment made me smile so widely I'm afraid I've cracked my face permanently. :) Thank you. <br /><br />Thank you also for the kind words. Yes, we still miss him very much. He was truly a wonderful dog.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-11614370554408412242015-05-20T06:49:23.293-04:002015-05-20T06:49:23.293-04:00Anu, I stumbled across your blog today and find it...Anu, I stumbled across your blog today and find it extremely interesting. I've been sitting and reading it non-stop for 4 continuous hours now, putting aside everything I ought to be doing :).<br />This one almost made me cry. I know it's been sometime now but I'm still sorry for your loss. I don't know how y'all bore it but this is the reason I've decided never to get home a dog.Cknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-37197988805598452362015-05-05T22:27:13.114-04:002015-05-05T22:27:13.114-04:00Please do, Ava, and tell me if you like it as much...Please do, Ava, and tell me if you like it as much. Thank you for the kind words.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-24603495967977657992015-05-05T22:10:03.276-04:002015-05-05T22:10:03.276-04:00That's a lovely parody. :)
I don't think...That's a lovely parody. :) <br /><br />I don't think I've heard either song, at least not from the title. Haven't had a chance to click the link but will do so tomorrow. Thanks, Neeru.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-55238002331331492602015-05-05T11:56:55.442-04:002015-05-05T11:56:55.442-04:00I have not seen the film, but your lovely review m...I have not seen the film, but your lovely review makes me want to. :) Thank you, Anu.avanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-50136934478776736562015-05-05T02:53:20.963-04:002015-05-05T02:53:20.963-04:00Raaton ko jab neend ud jaaye...... Bolo kya kiya j...Raaton ko jab neend ud jaaye...... Bolo kya kiya jaaye..... Anu ke blog pad liye jaaye, Haan pad liye jaayen.<br />What a nice topic and nice songs. I absolutely love raat bhar ka hai and raaton ke sataye ghane. I had heard raaton ko jab, but never seen the video, what a fun song, better in picturisation. Will have to see Mem Didi.<br />Tanuja grows up right in front of you in the song, from almost a girl to her usual looks of early 60s. Neerunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-23080882583596110352015-05-02T16:23:26.043-04:002015-05-02T16:23:26.043-04:00I'm flattered. :)
This was the word with wh...I'm flattered. :) <br /><br /><br />This was the word with which I began this series, so my self-imposed restrictions weren't, well, so restrictive. Therefore, I felt completely entitled to using that song. :) :) It was only with the later words that I became more stringent with my criteria.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-24255236088765203132015-05-01T17:39:48.029-04:002015-05-01T17:39:48.029-04:00Night time is when I can relax and browse your blo...Night time is when I can relax and browse your blog postings :) It is almost 3 am as I write this comment.<br /><br />Let me add one more song to this collection - Yeh raat yeh fizaayen from Batwara. . I was actually listening to this song on YouTube when it struck me that you may have a word play blog on the word 'raat'. So here I am.<br /><br />Did you violate your rule on no 8 ? raat seems to be the 3rd word . <br /><br />For a change, I see some 70s songs in your list. Annadata was a nice feel-good movie with some nice songs<br />including that one that you've in the list. Song no 2 and 4 are also my favourites.Krishnannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-58238888150714200862015-04-28T19:41:42.699-04:002015-04-28T19:41:42.699-04:00Yeah, I figured that out - eventually. :)
Yes,...Yeah, I figured that out - eventually. :) <br /><br /><br /><br />Yes, it is a beautiful song.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-70696025599436998222015-04-28T16:25:52.616-04:002015-04-28T16:25:52.616-04:00And the reference to "Main yeh sochkar" ...And the reference to "Main yeh sochkar" was just me taking the conversation in a different direction :) A slow but beautiful song. Almost as though Rafi was lingering on each word while singing it . I wonder how many songs are out there where the violin is so prominent - "sansaar hai ek nadiya" is another one that I can recallKrishnannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-91933963898072063112015-04-28T15:16:41.700-04:002015-04-28T15:16:41.700-04:00Isn't that what I wrote? I'm still wonderi...Isn't that what I wrote? I'm still wondering what you are talking about. The only time I mentioned <i>Haqeeqat</i> was in my intro to the songs, and there, I wrote: <i>Madan Mohan pitched for Talat for Jahan Ara and gave him <b>the haunting Hoke majboor chala alongside his friends and peers, Mohammed Rafi and Manna Dey, and newcomer Bhupinder in Haqeeqat </b> (both in 1964), Talat's career never quite recovered. </i> <br /><br />So what is your question again?Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-33111210215007910622015-04-28T15:09:40.922-04:002015-04-28T15:09:40.922-04:00Shouldn't the Haqeeqat song be 'Hoke Majbo...Shouldn't the Haqeeqat song be 'Hoke Majboor mujhe ' ?Krishnannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-91179673939777970372015-04-28T13:15:53.624-04:002015-04-28T13:15:53.624-04:00I don't understand - I mentioned Madan Mohan g...I don't understand - I mentioned Madan Mohan giving him <i>Hoke majboor chala</i> along with the other singers. And I never mentioned <i>Main yeh sochkar</i> at all...Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-55415918773433806682015-04-27T17:21:14.821-04:002015-04-27T17:21:14.821-04:00The Haqeeqat song that you mentioned towards the e...The Haqeeqat song that you mentioned towards the end of Talat's biography - shouldn't that be 'Hoke majboor mujhe'. The 'Main yeh sochkar' song from the same movie must be one of Rafi's slowest songs but what a beautiful use of the violin .<br />I wonder how many songs there would be with 4 or more famous singers in them - perhaps enough for you to come out with a list :)Krishnannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-59180204593963356062015-04-25T15:15:44.984-04:002015-04-25T15:15:44.984-04:00Thanks for letting me know, Krishnan. For some rea...Thanks for letting me know, Krishnan. For some reason, Disqus doesn't let me know of comments on my Pages, and I end up seeing them only when I go to Blogger's comments page. So my replies are not usually on time. <br /><br /><br /><br />I'm not aware of any site that translates lyrics into English. Some bloggers do with odd songs here and there, but I've never seen a site dedicated to just translating song lyrics, whether Hindi, Malayalam or Tamil or indeed, any other language.<br /><br /><br />And just for future reference, you can post the link here as well; if we are having a 'conversation', then it is perfectly okay for it to go off into tangents, like conversations do in real life. :)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-4427014459098974632015-04-25T14:48:40.806-04:002015-04-25T14:48:40.806-04:00I posted a Youtube link to a Malayalam song on you...I posted a Youtube link to a Malayalam song on your 'My Story' page. My Malayalam is not as good as it should be - born in Chennai, spent many years in Delhi and now back to Chennai. Are you aware of any site which can translate that song to English ? And thanks for your permission to digress :)Krishnannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-23873518912961281822015-04-25T12:16:15.778-04:002015-04-25T12:16:15.778-04:00I have a vague recollection of having listened to ...I have a vague recollection of having listened to that song! :) In the past years, my listening to Tamil songs has lessened quite a bit. So the immediate recollection that I have with Hindi songs is not there anymore.<br /><br /><br />(No worries about digressing from my post. I do that all the time. *grin)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com