tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post8534498766497999832..comments2024-03-24T08:18:33.058-04:00Comments on Conversations Over Chai: The Mystery of the Missing SongsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-21470914358489531272015-04-16T14:08:33.261-04:002015-04-16T14:08:33.261-04:00A collection of Old Hindi songs on the Saxophone. ...A collection of Old Hindi songs on the Saxophone. I wonder if it was Manohari Singh playing them !!<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oowWuJRh_G8Krishnannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-22854068161370605312014-10-15T12:58:30.997-04:002014-10-15T12:58:30.997-04:00Thank you for reading and commenting, Bhavadas. Th...Thank you for reading and commenting, Bhavadas. The songs were Ashwin's selections to showcase Manoharida's versatility.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-12778242469411796952014-10-15T12:31:05.387-04:002014-10-15T12:31:05.387-04:00I had read many interviews with Manoharida, so his...I had read many interviews with Manoharida, so his life story was kind of very familiar. However, the 5 songs mentioned with musicians was very new ! Thanks a lot !Bhavadas Kaplingatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-31298032586270140942014-04-09T16:45:34.836-04:002014-04-09T16:45:34.836-04:00Mr Venkatraman, I'm slightly allergic to the w...Mr Venkatraman, I'm slightly allergic to the word, that is all. :) No offence meant, and I really have no opinion one way or another on someone else using it. That is all.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-73247356131944995992014-04-09T16:43:41.150-04:002014-04-09T16:43:41.150-04:00Main pyar ka raahi hoon is definitely not in the f...<i>Main pyar ka raahi hoon</i> is definitely not in the film. Or, let me be specific - it wasn't in the film when I watched it on Doordarshan - long before DVDs made an appearance. The song was equally definitely shot, so no wonder you watched it on Chitrahaar. <br /><br /><br />As far as I know, <i>Yunhi dil ne chaha tha rona rulana</i> is the Suman Kalyanpur version. There is a Mukesh-Suman Kalyanpur duet called <i>Chura lena tumko ye mausam suhana</i>. I don't know if there is a Mukesh solo in the same tune.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-77366100743931619842014-04-09T16:40:06.730-04:002014-04-09T16:40:06.730-04:00My disagreement is because the meaning of plagiari...My disagreement is because the meaning of plagiarism is entirely different. To reuse one's own tunes is no crime, surely? Perhaps 'recycle' or 'reuse' is a better word. :)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-2576938464512582242014-04-09T16:38:47.225-04:002014-04-09T16:38:47.225-04:00Canasyaji, Madan Mohan did have the most awful luc...Canasyaji, Madan Mohan did have the most awful luck! Some of his most beautiful songs were for films that didn't exactly set the box-office on fire. <br /><br />I like that idea for a new post.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-58947806633778336052014-04-09T07:17:55.330-04:002014-04-09T07:17:55.330-04:00Akji,Anuji
I came across this word auto-plagiaris...Akji,Anuji<br /><br />I came across this word auto-plagiarism for the first time in SoY and I liked the coinage. I am not sure whether the word pre-existed. I too disagree with the word plagiarism being used for a composer using his own tunes again. In my humble opinion, when the word auto is prefixed then it no longer sounds offensive. Akji thanks for those interesting additions.N venkataramannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-77573427650169099912014-04-09T07:13:07.573-04:002014-04-09T07:13:07.573-04:00Lovely post, Anu. I had no idea there were so many...Lovely post, Anu. I had no idea there were so many axed songs. I am just glad that the audio versions have survived. I only knew of <i>Chain se humko kabhi</i> from Dustedoff's O. P. Nayyar post. I thought some of the other familiar songs - <i>Jaata kahan hai deewane</i>, <i>Main pyaar ka rahi hoon</i> and <i>Humne to dil ko aapke</i> - were a casualty of the VCD/DVD manufacturers. Are you sure <i>Main pyaar ka rahi hoon</i> was deleted from the film before fRIENDS, et al, got their hands on it? I have a strong feeling that I've seen the song on Chitrahaar, back in the DD days. Also, is there a Mukesh version of <i>Yunhi dil ne chaaha tha rona rulaana</i>? I've always thought of it as a Mukesh song, for some reason, and always come up against a Suman Kalyanpur version on youtube!Bollyviewerhttp://bollyviewer-oldisgold.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-85542495063316789442014-04-09T05:01:09.560-04:002014-04-09T05:01:09.560-04:00Anu, Venkataramanji
I did use the word auto-plagia...Anu, Venkataramanji<br />I did use the word auto-plagiarism - I do not know if I am the creator of this word - but I agree, a less offensive word is needed. Since <i>Jogan ban jaaungi</i> has been mentioned, I would invite you to recall Naushad's two more <i>Ghunghat nahi kholungi saiyan tore kaaran (Mother India)</i> and <i>Lagan more man ki balam nahi jaane (Baabul)</i>. Interesting Auto-?<br /><br /><br />AKSongs Of Yorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-32320109634961912052014-04-08T14:07:59.172-04:002014-04-08T14:07:59.172-04:00Anuji, a gripping post with stories worthy of the ...Anuji, a gripping post with stories worthy of the Master himself! Madanmohan’s official website<br /><br />http://www.madanmohan.in/html/his_music/songography/unrelsngrelfilms.html<br /><br />mentions 21 songs that were filmed but not released as audio record, another 4 that were never filmed, and 45 recorded songs and tunes from films that were never released/completed. This list does not include songs like the one from Haqeeqat whose audio records had been released. Madanmohan composed about 700 songs. That gives a 'missing ratio' of about 10%. Here are some songs from that list available on YouTube. In some cases the video is so short as to indicate that the larger part of the song had been cut. (That suggests another topic for a post: The Mystery of the Missing ‘antara’).<br /><br />Unhein Qissa E Gham (Rafi in Naya Qanoon, 1964)<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJu84sGDOuY<br /><br />Do ghadi saath rahe (Rafi in Pooja ke phool, 1964)<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtzbyK0OLfI<br /><br />Sanam apni palkon pe tujhko (Rafi in Pooja ke phool, 1964)<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW0YmM0phKk<br /><br />Dil haseenon se lagaana (Shamshad Begum and Rafi in Khota Paisa, 1958)<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNGcogPdtgoCanasyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-56119299235557891122014-04-08T12:13:12.319-04:002014-04-08T12:13:12.319-04:00Circular breathing has been around for centuries. ...Circular breathing has been around for centuries. It isn't new and it has been used by metal smiths, glass blowers, snake charmers and wind instrument players for years. Obviously they have been trained to do it. Maybe the ones who couldn't took up another occupation.:-) Usually it isn't Bismillah Khan who does the bulk of the circular breathing, it is his accompanying shehnai players who provide the single note drone and I guess they do it in relays. Amateurs probably shouldn't try it but it is something only the really good players aim to hit as they need to sustain long passages smoothly. Again to play an instrument like the algoza you would probably need to do something similar to produce the continuous supporting note. See this performer for example his cheeks are almost always slightly distended. So I guess with the correct training you'd be okay.<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDT0tLPKwzESSWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-87181555821310842542014-04-08T08:24:41.972-04:002014-04-08T08:24:41.972-04:00Thank you, Canasyaji. It was indeed a pleasure to ...Thank you, Canasyaji. It was indeed a pleasure to host Ashwin. I don't know enough about the dangers of breathing one way or the other, but I would assume that if our musicians did it, they were trained in that way. I will let SSW weigh in on this. He will definitely have more than assumptions to contribute. :)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-25436320841467965452014-04-08T08:21:26.254-04:002014-04-08T08:21:26.254-04:00Thank you, Madhu. :) Yes, it is sad, isn't it,...Thank you, Madhu. :) Yes, it is sad, isn't it, that so many good songs didn't make it to the marquee, or were deleted after they were shot? The worst offenders are the censors, who decided on such arbitrary reasons. I mean, I can understand a song being cut because the film is too long - though, that took away <i>Khelo na</i> from <i>Haqeeqat</i>, but that reason at least makes sense! <br /><br /><i>(and I have a creepy feeling too that I've seen a video of it, but I'm very likely mistaken)</i><br />Madhu, I'm glad you said that! Because I'm almost sure that when I watched <i>CID</i> on Doordarshan, the song was there! And if that is so, that must be where you saw it too! Because I remember being taken aback when a couple of years ago (I think it was on your blog) I read that <i>Jaata kahan hai deewane</i> is not in the film. I could have sworn it was! <br /><br /><br /><br />Or if not, we are both going crazy together!Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-15325792146817036442014-04-07T21:30:51.307-04:002014-04-07T21:30:51.307-04:00Wonder how many more such compositions have been l...<i>Wonder how many more such compositions have been lost to us.</i><br />By the looks of the comments, many, many more than I would have dreamed of. :( <br /><br />The <i>Sahib Bibi aur Ghulam</i> sound track is lost to us, unless some kind soul somewhere discovers it somewhere and uploads it on YouTube or something!Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-87404107846413834332014-04-07T11:59:28.346-04:002014-04-07T11:59:28.346-04:00You've picked a fascinating (and vexing) topic...You've picked a fascinating (and vexing) topic to post on, Anu. I can't tell you the # of times I've watched a film for one song only to find it missing from the movie.:-( You've mentioned some of my favorite "deleted" songs, but sadly there are many more.<br /><br />Rut phire par din hamare - Pyaasa<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71yff4Dbz_Q<br /><br />Chand madham hai - Railway Platform<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTJ5AT_xISw<br /><br />Dekh li teri khudai - Kinare Kinare<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cKKDjkY0wg<br /><br />Honton pe hansi aankhon mein nasha - Sawan Ki Ghata<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E275-gFk9tA<br /><br /><br /><br />PS. I don't think that clip of "khelo na mere dil se" is actually from Haqeeqat. At least I dearly hope not - that song deserves much better.<br /><br /><br />PPS. I've always heard that the reason "chain se humko kabhi" was removed from "Pran Jaaye Par Vachan Na Jaaye" was because OPN insisted upon it. He thought his song was too good for the movie.:-)Shalini Razdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-78220625188949671832014-04-07T11:43:44.558-04:002014-04-07T11:43:44.558-04:00I'm with you Harvey. I love "gumsum kyon...I'm with you Harvey. I love "gumsum kyon hai sanam" and prefer it to the other songs in Kasme Vaade (or Bhala Manush for that matter).Shalini Razdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-78202097413384763282014-04-07T03:14:35.388-04:002014-04-07T03:14:35.388-04:00Wonderful that you gleaned this bit of info out of...Wonderful that you gleaned this bit of info out of the past. Wonder how many more such compositions have been lost to us.<br /><br />Balma Khuli Hawaa main, Jaata Kahaan Hain Diwaane & Chain Se hum Ko Kabhi are so much a part of the audio track that I never looked in the movie to find them, assumed they're there somewhere. All three brilliant ones too. <br /><br />Wonder what it is with O P Nayyar and the Mangeshkar sisters. Imagine parting ways with Asha Bhonsle, akin to Raj Kapoor refusing Mukesh. That man was an eccentric genius.<br /><br />Couldn't locate the Sahib Biwi aur Ghulam soundtrack. Any links?Boby Mohannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-89958327043285277572014-04-06T18:39:44.962-04:002014-04-06T18:39:44.962-04:00Ha! I'm glad they were cut. That was one movie...Ha! I'm glad they were cut. That was one movie that had no business having songs at all. In fact, Yash Chopra put them in against the protests of Salim-Javed, who felt that the songs diluted the script.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-19729861356433535022014-04-06T18:38:33.759-04:002014-04-06T18:38:33.759-04:00Am I silly for liking the song in Sagina better th...Am I silly for liking the song in <i>Sagina</i> better than the original from <i>Jeevan Jyoti</i>? <br /><br />The song from <i>Paying Guest</i> sounds like it may have been picturised on Nutan on stage... within the film, that is.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-71636767265123943162014-04-06T18:36:13.950-04:002014-04-06T18:36:13.950-04:00So they shot this for Kasme Vaade since this was N...So they shot this for <i>Kasme Vaade</i> since this was Neetu's uniform in that film. Did <i>Bhala Manus</i> star the same pair, so they could use the video footage as well? Not a great song, is it? <i>Kasme Vaade</i> had far better songs.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-30331591309955322632014-04-06T18:34:37.847-04:002014-04-06T18:34:37.847-04:00I'm sure we did discuss this, Harvey, but my s...I'm sure we did discuss this, Harvey, but my single brain cell gave up trying to remember long ago. :) <br /><br /><br /><br />Yes, Mr Venkatraman had kindly found the original for me. I didn't know (or didn't remember, if I did) that AB and Dharmendra had appeared in a guest appearance.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-3405005853098045212014-04-06T17:32:15.408-04:002014-04-06T17:32:15.408-04:00I found the words of the songs deleted from Deewar...I found the words of the songs deleted from Deewar's final cut from Sahir's biography by Akshay Manwani<br />One was 'yeh deewaron ka jungle, aabadi jiska naam' and the other was a "satire on customs officers 'idhar ka maal udhar jaata hai'harveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-92217568271737726222014-04-06T17:21:50.339-04:002014-04-06T17:21:50.339-04:00Here is a song which was not included in the film....Here is a song which was not included in the film. jamuna kinare aaj from Mehbooba<br />http://youtu.be/xaiDyxnRV8I<br /><br />The song gumsum kyun hai sanam was recorded for Kasme Vaade but since it didn't have any place in the screenplay, it was given to the filmmakers of Bhala Manus.The song was released in the sound track of Kasme Vaade but inclluded in the film Bhala Manus.<br />http://youtu.be/KJoXMJiUDi8harveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-37781190307628292272014-04-06T15:21:21.511-04:002014-04-06T15:21:21.511-04:00Here is a deleted song from Jeevan Jyothi, which I...Here is a deleted song from Jeevan Jyothi, which I came across today.<br />http://youtu.be/0MPEc7dDtDE<br />Since it was deleted from that movie, SDB used it in Sagina<br />http://youtu.be/lenBwlmgMBE<br /><br />Another deleted song, again from SDB from Paying Guest<br />http://youtu.be/l7eEfll7LpE<br /><br />I think if you search for deleted song on youtube, you might find others.harveynoreply@blogger.com