tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post8976032831102370966..comments2024-03-24T08:18:33.058-04:00Comments on Conversations Over Chai: The Masters: KhayyamUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-78667997845194505292015-02-11T17:17:22.353-05:002015-02-11T17:17:22.353-05:00This gives some idea about Chandni Chowk and about...This gives some idea about Chandni Chowk and about BR Chopra.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-GAO4_54MQshyamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-38834984389385698602015-02-11T13:08:16.254-05:002015-02-11T13:08:16.254-05:00I don't think so, Neeru. He seems to have repe...I don't think so, Neeru. He seems to have repeated N Dutta and Ravi a few times, but otherwise, has worked with different MDs each time - Salil Choudhary, Husnlal Bhagatram, Sapan Chakraborty, Laxmikant-Pyarelal, Roshan, Hemant Kumar, etc.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-57057628929724482162015-02-11T10:33:51.119-05:002015-02-11T10:33:51.119-05:00Just wondering if B.R. Chopra ever pick Khaiyyam f...Just wondering if B.R. Chopra ever pick Khaiyyam for his movies ? Neerunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-14276655175731139392015-02-11T09:23:52.200-05:002015-02-11T09:23:52.200-05:00Thank you for that, Neeru. If you find out why Ros...Thank you for that, Neeru. If you find out why Roshan became the MD, let me know. :)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-23336770653213113852015-02-11T08:34:44.781-05:002015-02-11T08:34:44.781-05:00SSW,
You bet! But just initial 10 to 15 second? ...SSW,<br /><br />You bet! But just initial 10 to 15 second? Or more?<br /><br />Isn't Rafi amazing in both?Ashraf Lakhaninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-64835743521988932552015-02-11T08:20:42.481-05:002015-02-11T08:20:42.481-05:00There is a brief mention of partition responsible ...There is a brief mention of partition responsible for not completing Chandani Chowk which started in 1946 both in Wikipedia of B. R. Chopra and his biography on youtube. Why he chose Roshan,, perhaps the answer maybe buried in various articles and interviews, would be an interesting read and watch. Will post here if I find out.<br /><br />http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldev_Raj_Chopra<br />http://youtu.be/2-GAO4_54MQNeerunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-21663605961232779072015-02-11T08:05:01.620-05:002015-02-11T08:05:01.620-05:00I mentioned Akele mein woh ghabrate toh honge in m...I mentioned <i>Akele mein woh ghabrate toh honge</i> in my post, Ashokji! :( <br /><br />(But I'm glad you gave the link here as well. )Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-70109181772911446422015-02-11T08:02:26.593-05:002015-02-11T08:02:26.593-05:00Yes, I assume that Partition caused a problem, and...Yes, I assume that Partition caused a problem, and of course, they couldn't get Baba Chishti again. But by 1954, Khayyam was riding high on the musical success of <i>Footpath</i>; and he remained grateful to BR Chopra for his first cheque. While BR had been so impressed with his work, that he paid him an unheard of amount (for those days). So I'm still wondering why <i>Chandni Chowk</i> in its second incarnation went to Roshan instead. <br /><br />I guess all we can do is conjecture. :) <br /><br />Do you have a link to BR's biography? He was an interesting man to talk to.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-45617260473949337412015-02-11T04:54:09.226-05:002015-02-11T04:54:09.226-05:00Khayyam has always evoked a very special preferenc...Khayyam has always evoked a very special preference in the list of My Likes. The irony is his popular work is so well known and not-so-popular one far more unsung - two extremes, so to say.<br /><br />Having gone through the songs here, the one that (probably is not covered) comes to my mind is From Biwi (1950)<br /><br />Akele Mein Woh Gabharaye To Hoge <br /><br />http://youtu.be/8WJG7IfVqigAshok M Vaishnavhttp://amvaishnav.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-88667490514905444202015-02-10T21:16:21.141-05:002015-02-10T21:16:21.141-05:00Thanks for the quick reply and for the opportunit...Thanks for the quick reply and for the opportunity, and the for the loss of opportunity (because of the self correction).<br />I think the earlier attempts at making the film happened in Lahore/Pakistan and then , you know what happened;they must have lost those prints or recordings or whatever. They may have started afresh. This is my conjecture only.<br />As you said many questions and hardly any answers.shyamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-71803445747671139872015-02-10T20:48:02.954-05:002015-02-10T20:48:02.954-05:00Shyam, I figured that Chandni Chowk may have been ...Shyam, I figured that <i>Chandni Chowk</i> may have been in the making for many years, but this seems to have seen a change of music directors as well. If the songs were already recorded, as Naushad states, then why weren't they used? Why was Roshan brought in? <br /><br />So many questions, so few answers... :)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-52954995881041401932015-02-10T20:45:42.051-05:002015-02-10T20:45:42.051-05:00I think a slightly different and shorter version i...I think a slightly different and shorter version is in the film. Both versions are wonderful. I thought of mentioning this earlier, but I realize how many songs one can incorporate in a posting.<br /><br />I also want to say that BR Chopra's Chandni Chowk started early and faced many problems and finally released in 1954. You may see the youtube video on BR Chopra's Biography.shyamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-54258795592884165462015-02-10T10:52:13.406-05:002015-02-10T10:52:13.406-05:00Ashraf if you slow the mukhda down you will be sin...Ashraf if you slow the mukhda down you will be singing "Kahin ek masoom nazuk si ladki" briefly. :-)SSWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-4568187700481300792015-02-10T09:34:15.350-05:002015-02-10T09:34:15.350-05:00Thanks, Ashraf. :) I do like Ye raat bahut rangeen...Thanks, Ashraf. :) I do like <i>Ye raat bahut rangeen sahi</i>; a very soft Rafi, yet he spans such a range. I was just thinking back and realising that with Khayyam, I mostly seem to like the complete score in most of his films.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-67959887189402557762015-02-10T09:32:26.999-05:002015-02-10T09:32:26.999-05:00Thanks, Shalini. I didn't know Jajit Kaur had ...Thanks, Shalini. I didn't know Jajit Kaur had sung for Ghulam Mohammed as early as 1953. I must confess that I went by Khayyam's interview, where he said that she sang her first song in Hindi for him. I checked back, but didn't come across <i>Dil-e-Nadaan</i> at all. I'll correct it up there. <br /><br />As for <i>Tum apne ranj-o-gham</i> being her first song for Khayyam, again, that is his contention. I wonder if this was composed, and recorded before the songs of <i>Shola aur Shabnam</i>? Though there is a gap of three years between the films? Because he was very clear (in his interview) that this was the first song she ever sang for him... <br /><br />Thanks for the other links as well - I hadn't heard this particular song from <i>Sankalp</i> before.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-56422504486077886052015-02-09T23:04:08.842-05:002015-02-09T23:04:08.842-05:00Nice write-up, Anu on a master composer. Many of...Nice write-up, Anu on a master composer. Many of his compositions had a very peaceful, "pahadi" feel to them that I find very appealing. Btw, one correction - Shagoon wasn't Jagit Kaur's first Hindi film song. She had sung much earlier in 1953 for Ghulam Mohammed in Dil-E-Nadaan. Shagoon wasn't even her first time singing for Khayyam. She had already sung a couple of songs in Shola aur Shabnam. Incidentally, according to Khayyam it took Rafi 21 takes to get "jaane kya dhoondhti rehti hai" right.<br /><br />You've listed some of my favorites by Khayyam, here a couple others that I love:<br /><br />Gar teri nawazish ho jaye (Gul-Bahar, Talat)<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLCQGkx7n3g<br /><br />Tu hi sagar tu hi kinara (Sankalp, Sulakshna Pandit)<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kipeoQ-slUAShalini Razdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-33348321107549529112015-02-09T21:16:23.381-05:002015-02-09T21:16:23.381-05:00Thank you, Soumya. I totally agree about Jaane kya...Thank you, Soumya. I totally agree about <i>Jaane kya doondhti rehti hain</i> being as much a Rafi song as Khayyam's. But that, I think, can be said about any great song. As Khayyam himself put it, a tune that he composes is great only because of the contribution of the lyricist and the singer who breathes life into it.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-74733448192605436372015-02-09T21:12:50.517-05:002015-02-09T21:12:50.517-05:00I missed this comment until now. I haven't hea...I missed this comment until now. I haven't heard the song before - the only <i>Le jaa meri duaaein</i> I remember is the Lata song from <i>Deedar</i>. Talat Mehmood looks so handsome. :)Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-26873678603401955642015-02-09T21:04:11.292-05:002015-02-09T21:04:11.292-05:00I have a soft corner for Khayyam and for all the s...I have a soft corner for Khayyam and for all the songs on your list. Great job. Aakhri Khat is one my favorite films where Rajesh Khanna plays his role with a lot of understatement. And as you mentioned, all the songs in the movie are wonderful. I also agree with you that 'Yeh Kya Jageh Hain Doston' is the best song in Umrao Jaan. 'Jaane Kya Dhoondti Rehti Hai' seems so easy to sing (at least the first two stanzas till one tries to sing the third and busts his lungs) but without the subtle variations that Rafi brings to the song it could become quite pedestrian. It is as much Rafi's song as Khayyam's.Soumyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-57857429603281501702015-02-09T20:53:51.446-05:002015-02-09T20:53:51.446-05:00Lovely song. Thanks for sharing.Lovely song. Thanks for sharing.Soumyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-73316679176940762442015-02-09T16:42:54.947-05:002015-02-09T16:42:54.947-05:00I haven't heard this one before, Neeru. I agre...I haven't heard this one before, Neeru. I agree with you about the song, though Manna Dey has sung it very well indeed.Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-42627523078489048772015-02-09T16:42:04.551-05:002015-02-09T16:42:04.551-05:00:) Good one. So true, as well, no?:) Good one. So true, as well, no?Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-18730600809441068672015-02-09T16:41:26.385-05:002015-02-09T16:41:26.385-05:00You're welcome, Nalini. I'm glad I refresh...You're welcome, Nalini. I'm glad I refreshed your memory. :) Like you, I know the dialogues and words by heart. And I can watch it any time. Just a wonderful movie!Anu Warrierhttp://anuradhawarrier.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-79659393689233463012015-02-09T15:21:02.301-05:002015-02-09T15:21:02.301-05:00I wanted to mention one more song of aakhri khat. ...I wanted to mention one more song of aakhri khat. This movie had such a range of music as if Khaiyyam was experimenting with different geners of music and singers. From the soft ' baharon, mera jeewan bhi' and 'aur kuch der the her' to the club songs with a western touch. This one is in Manna Dey's voice. I could not find a visual, only an audio. Not that I like the song much, but just to mention the range of music Khaiyyam came up with.<br />http://youtu.be/99omzi1UZQANeerunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2309362817539389132.post-78611019157721590602015-02-09T14:58:02.594-05:002015-02-09T14:58:02.594-05:00I noticed the above skit mention, and watched. Bot...I noticed the above skit mention, and watched. Both my husband and myself could not finish watching the whole scene, we were laughing so hard. Thanks for the laughs.<br />One of the Ramta songs mentions the lift and what happens when a person goes up in it and then comes down.<br />( Hazara Singh Ramta wrote and sang numerous songs on the experiences of a simple Ludhiana person who comes across strange things when he ventures into cities and foreign lands )<br />The Lift part starts at 4.56.<br />http://youtu.be/iV2hgi1PxmsNeerunoreply@blogger.com